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04/20/2022 01:00 PM House RESOURCES

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 20, 2022                                                                                         
                           1:04 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grier Hopkins, Vice Chair                                                                                        
Representative Calvin Schrage                                                                                                   
Representative Sara Hannan                                                                                                      
Representative George Rauscher                                                                                                  
Representative Mike Cronk                                                                                                       
Representative Ronald Gillham                                                                                                   
Representative Tom McKay                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Josiah Patkotak, Chair                                                                                           
Representative Zack Fields                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Board of Game                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Ruth Cusack - Chugiak                                                                                                      
     James Cooney  Eagle River                                                                                                  
     Al Barrette  Fairbanks                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Clay Nordlum - Kotzebue                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     - CONFIRMATION(S) ADVANCED                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to record                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
RUTH CUSACK, Appointee                                                                                                          
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JAMES COONEY, Appointee                                                                                                         
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN "AL" BARRETTE, Appointee                                                                                                  
Board of Game                                                                                                                   
Alaska Department of Fish and Game                                                                                              
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Board  of                                                             
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CLAY NORDLUM, Appointee                                                                                                         
Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                              
Division of Corporations, Business and Professional Licensing                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community, and Economic Development                                                                     
Kotzebue, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Testified  as appointee  to  the Big  Game                                                             
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LOUIS CUSACK, Executive Director                                                                                                
Safari Club International, Alaska Chapter (SCI-AK)                                                                              
Chugiak, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ruth Cusack to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
RANDY ZARNKE, President                                                                                                         
Alaska Trappers Association                                                                                                     
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Al Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL UMPHENOUR                                                                                                                
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ruth Cusack, James  Cooney, and Al Barrette to the  Board of Game                                                               
and Clay Nordlum to the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TED SPRAKER                                                                                                                     
Soldotna, Alaska                                                                                                                
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ruth Cusack, James Cooney, and Al Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MARK RICHARDS, Executive Director                                                                                               
Resident Hunters of Alaska                                                                                                      
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  opposition to the appointments                                                             
of Ruth  Cusack, James Cooney,  and Al  Barrette to the  Board of                                                               
Game.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JEFF GARNESS                                                                                                                    
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ruth Cusack to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MIKE SEWRIGHT, Board Member                                                                                                     
Safari Club International, Alaska Chapter                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ruth Cusack, James Cooney, and Al Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM SCHENK                                                                                                                  
Wasilla, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:     During   the  confirmation   hearing  on                                                             
appointees to the Board of  Game, provided testimony urging there                                                               
be more diversity on the board.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
GARY GEARHART, Regional Representative                                                                                          
Safari Club International                                                                                                       
Eagle River, Alaska                                                                                                             
POSITION STATEMENT:   Testified in support of  the appointment of                                                             
Ruth Cusack to the Board of Game.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER YUHAF                                                                                                                  
Fairbanks, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in  support of the appointments of                                                             
Ruth Cusack and Al Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE                                                                                                                   
Kasilof, Alaska                                                                                                                 
POSITION  STATEMENT:     During   the  confirmation   hearing  on                                                             
appointees to the  Board of Game, testified  that only scientists                                                               
or biologists should be appointed to the board.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:04:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR GRIER  HOPKINS called  the  House Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to  order at 1:04 p.m.   Representatives McKay,                                                               
Cronk, Gillham, Hannan,  and Hopkins were present at  the call to                                                               
order.    Representatives Rauscher  and  Schrage  arrived as  the                                                               
meeting was in progress.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
^CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                                       
^Board of Game                                                                                                                  
^Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                                             
                    CONFIRMATION HEARING(S):                                                                                
                         ^Board of Game                                                                                     
              ^Big Game Commercial Services Board                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:04:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR HOPKINS  announced that  the only  order of  business                                                               
would be consideration of the  governor's appointees to the Board                                                               
of Game and the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RUTH CUSACK, Appointee, Board of  Game, Alaska Department of Fish                                                               
and Game  (ADF&G), testified as  appointee to the Board  of Game.                                                               
She stated that she grew up in  Iowa and joined the US Army after                                                               
high school  where she  became a  medic.  She  said she  moved to                                                               
Alaska in  2007, obtained  her Assistant  Guide license  in 2020,                                                               
and has fished and hunted all  over the state for moose, caribou,                                                               
mountain goat, and  black-tailed deer.  She  noted she volunteers                                                               
for  Alaska Healing  Hearts,  Becoming  an Outdoors-Woman  (BOW),                                                               
Raise 'Em Outdoors,  and serves as vice president  of Safari Club                                                               
International,  Alaska Chapter  (SCI-AK).   She related  that her                                                               
main  objective  is  ensuring adequate  harvestable  and  healthy                                                               
populations of  game in  Alaska, and she  firmly believes  in the                                                               
state's constitution.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK stated she understands  the importance of wild harvest                                                               
to many  rural families  and supporting  traditional generational                                                               
subsistence  use.    She  further  stated  she  understands  that                                                               
tourism and  non-consumptive use  are also  important and  a huge                                                               
part of Alaska's economy.  She  added that as a passionate female                                                               
hunter she will  bring diversity to the board given  there are no                                                               
women on  the board.   She  noted that her  family hunts  for its                                                               
meat and fish and shares its  extra game with people who are less                                                               
fortunate.    She related  that  when  initially contacted  about                                                               
being on  the Board of Game  she said no, but  several days later                                                               
she decided  to say yes.   She  stated that as  a conservationist                                                               
who  cares  deeply  for  the  resource, it  is  an  honor  to  be                                                               
appointed to the Board of Game.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:12:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GILLHAM commented  that he has three  women in his                                                               
family who hunt and three on  their way up and he appreciates Ms.                                                               
Cusack stepping up to be on the board.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK thanked Representative Gillham.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:13:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS  asked whether Ms. Cusack has  ever attended a                                                               
Board of Game regional advisory committee meeting.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK  replied no, but  said she understands  the importance                                                               
of them, has researched them these  past few days, and is looking                                                               
forward to attending as many as possible.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS  asked whether Ms. Cusack has  ever attended a                                                               
Board of Game meeting in person or virtually.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK responded that she  has attended them with her husband                                                               
because he has made proposals to  the board.  But, she continued,                                                               
she admits that she never paid much attention.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:13:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE  CHAIR HOPKINS  asked  whether  Ms. Cusack  has  sat on  any                                                               
boards   or  bodies   that   reviewed   hunting  and   harvesting                                                               
regulations at the state level.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CUSACK answered  no, but  she  is anxious  to do  so and  to                                                               
learn.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  HOPKINS requested  Ms. Cusack to  expound on  how she                                                               
has  used  her  Assistant  Guide  license  and  whether  she  has                                                               
experience in guiding.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK replied that she received  the license in 2020 and "we                                                               
go  ... on  the peninsula  and  we hunt  brown bears  ... in  the                                                               
spring  and it's  only every  other year  ... on  the peninsula."                                                               
She  has only  gone a  couple times,  she continued,  and it's  a                                                               
great way  for her  husband and  her to  spend some  time hunting                                                               
together.  She makes little income  from it, she added, it's just                                                               
a small thing that she and her husband do.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS asked whether her  husband is a guide, and Ms.                                                               
Cusack is the assistant who goes with him.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK  responded that her  husband is a  Class-A [Assistant]                                                               
Guide, which is  one step above Assistant Guide, and  she and her                                                               
husband work for a Master Guide  who books all the hunts and does                                                               
the advertising.   When  initially contacted  about being  on the                                                               
board, she continued,  it wasn't known [by the  contact] that she                                                               
had an Assistant  Guide license because she never  told anyone as                                                               
it wasn't a big thing to her.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  HOPKINS asked  whether Ms. Cusack  thinks there  is a                                                               
place and role for a non-consumptive user on the Board of Game.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CUSACK  answered that  it  is  important to  understand  and                                                               
recognize that  there are duties for  the Board of Game  for non-                                                               
hunting, such as tourism and bear viewing.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:17:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked whether  Ms. Cusack's statement about                                                               
brown bear hunts on "the peninsula" meant "Alaska Peninsula."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. CUSACK replied yes.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  inquired  whether   in  the  capacity  of                                                               
Assistant Guide on those hunts Ms. Cusack had clients with her.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CUSACK responded,  "Yes ...  but he  has to  be there."   In                                                               
further response to Representative Hannan,  she stated that it is                                                               
like a learner's permit.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:17:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRONK stated  he hunts and has  an Assistant Guide                                                               
license, and  it doesn't make him  a guide and it  doesn't change                                                               
his perspective on the purpose of  game management.  He said that                                                               
if  approved to  the  Board  of Game  Ms.  Cusack  will offer  an                                                               
interesting perspective.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS concurred it  is important to have a diversity                                                               
of voices on the Board of Game.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:19:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JAMES  COONEY, Appointee,  Board  of Game,  Alaska Department  of                                                               
Fish and  Game (ADF&G),  testified as appointee  to the  Board of                                                               
Game.    He  stated  that  he  moved  to  Alaska  in  2004  after                                                               
graduating from Gonzaga University  with a bachelor's in business                                                               
administration and  being commissioned as a  second lieutenant in                                                               
the US Army.  He dreamed of hunting  in Alaska as a boy, he said,                                                               
so  Alaska  was his  first  choice  of  duty stations  and  after                                                               
leaving  the Army  he  bought a  home in  Eagle  River and  began                                                               
working for  the Army in  civilian service.   He related  that he                                                               
hunts whenever time  away from work allows him to  do so and that                                                               
hunting has allowed him to see  places in the state and establish                                                               
relationships  with   people  that   otherwise  would   not  have                                                               
happened.    He  noted  that   he  volunteers  with  Safari  Club                                                               
International,  Alaska Chapter  (SCI-AK),  and  with Alaska  Wild                                                               
Sheep  Foundation where  he  has helped  raise  money for  Alaska                                                               
Department  of  Fish  and   Game  (ADF&G)  wildlife  conservation                                                               
projects.  He  said he would like  to serve on the  Board of Game                                                               
as the next step in his  efforts to serve the state in conserving                                                               
and maintaining its wildlife resources.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:21:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN noted that Mr.  Cooney was appointed to the                                                               
Board of Game  in 2021 for a  term that ends in 2024.   She asked                                                               
why Mr. Cooney is being reappointed at this time.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONEY  replied that he was  appointed in July 2021  and went                                                               
through Senate  confirmation hearings but is  still going through                                                               
the House confirmation process.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  surmised  Mr.  Cooney hasn't  yet  had  a                                                               
confirmation vote  by the  legislature, has  been serving  on the                                                               
Board  of Game  since  2021,  and will  serve  until  2024 if  he                                                               
receives a full confirmation vote.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONEY  clarified that he  has never received  a confirmation                                                               
vote and didn't  do any work in  2021.  He said  his first duties                                                               
began in January 2022 and again in March 2022.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:23:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER asked  Mr. Cooney why he wants  to sit on                                                               
the Board of Game.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONEY  responded that  selfless service is  a core  value of                                                               
his.   When  he got  out  of the  Army, he  explained, he  missed                                                               
volunteering  and   serving  so  he  got   involved  in  wildlife                                                               
conservation through nonprofit  organizations in Alaska, starting                                                               
with  SCI and  he is  still serving  with the  Alaska Wild  Sheep                                                               
Foundation.   In 2021 when a  seat became available on  the Board                                                               
of Game, he continued, he thought  it important to take that next                                                               
step to continue to serve the wildlife resources.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE RAUSCHER explained he  didn't ask this question of                                                               
Ms. Cusack because  he'd already asked her when she  made a visit                                                               
to his office.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:24:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR  HOPKINS surmised Mr.  Cooney has  been to a  Board of                                                               
Game  meeting and  has paid  attention to  the regional  advisory                                                               
committees, given  he has  served for several  months.   He asked                                                               
whether  Mr.  Cooney  has  a guide  license  or  assistant  guide                                                               
license  which might  be a  licensure  that could  be a  conflict                                                               
while serving on the Board of Game.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  COONEY answered  that he  holds an  Assistant Guide  license                                                               
that  he  keeps  current.    He said  his  career  as  an  active                                                               
assistant hunting guide was short  lived due to the vacation time                                                               
required  to step  away  from  his day  job  working  as an  Army                                                               
civilian.   He said  that due  to the  vacation time  required to                                                               
step  away from  his  Army civilian  day job,  his  career as  an                                                               
active assistant hunting  guide was short lived,  consisting of a                                                               
total of six  clients between spring 2014 and fall  2015.  So, he                                                               
continued, his  experience as a  resident hunter far  exceeds his                                                               
experience  as  an  Assistant  Guide.    He  explained  that  his                                                               
conflict  when taking  vacation time  was that  he had  to choose                                                               
between hunting  as a  resident or being  an Assistant  Guide and                                                               
his decision was to be a resident hunter.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
VICE CHAIR HOPKINS asked whether Mr.  Cooney sees that there is a                                                               
place for non-consumptive  users being appointed to  the Board of                                                               
Game and having a place in the decisions being made.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONEY replied  that that is the prerogative  of the governor                                                               
and the  legislature.  Someone in  a seat for a  specific user or                                                               
representing a  specific stakeholder group, he  stated, might not                                                               
be objective  or have  the wildlife  resource's best  interest in                                                               
mind  when   listening  or  looking   at  proposals.     He  said                                                               
objectivity is a strength that he brings to the board.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:28:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN asked whether  Mr. Cooney anticipates using                                                               
his Assistant  Guide license  in the future.   She  further asked                                                               
why  Mr. Cooney  has chosen  to keep  his license  current if  he                                                               
isn't using it and his hunting doesn't require it.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONEY  responded that  he has not  used his  Assistant Guide                                                               
license  since 2015  and isn't  planning to  use it  anytime soon                                                               
because he  has 18 more years  of Army civilian career  before he                                                               
can retire.   He explained that he maintains  the license because                                                               
the  requirements  to  obtain  one  have  changed,  some  of  the                                                               
[required] experience  is stricter, and  since he worked  hard to                                                               
get the license, he wants to maintain it because he earned it.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN asked  whether Mr.  Cooney foresees  board                                                               
decisions where  he is  going to be  "conflicted out"  because of                                                               
having guided  in, or potentially going  to guide in, a  unit for                                                               
which a  decision is being made.   She further asked  whether Mr.                                                               
Cooney believes he  would need to declare a conflict  even if not                                                               
actively using his license.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. COONEY  answered no, but that  if needed he would  [declare a                                                               
conflict]  during the  initial portion  of the  board meeting  as                                                               
that is  what is done.   He explained that his  reason for saying                                                               
no is because he  has continued to hunt as a  resident in some of                                                               
the units  in which  he guided.   For  example, he  continued, in                                                               
2014 he guided for brown bear  in Game Management Unit (GMU) 9 on                                                               
the Alaska Peninsula; then in 2021  he hunted there as a resident                                                               
with a friend.   In 2014 and 2015, he added,  he guided for sheep                                                               
in  GMU 19C,  and he  has returned  there to  hunt as  a resident                                                               
hunter.   He said he  doesn't think  it conflicts him  because he                                                               
has guided before, but that if he  were to feel he had a conflict                                                               
it would  be because he  is a resident  hunter who has  hunted in                                                               
the area [in question].                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:33:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN "AL" BARRETTE, Appointee,  Board of Game, Alaska Department                                                               
of Fish and Game (ADF&G), testified  as appointee to the Board of                                                               
Game.   He stated that  his three children were  raised utilizing                                                               
Alaska fish and  wildlife resources, his wife is  a falconer, and                                                               
since 1992 his primary occupation has  been as a fur dresser with                                                               
supplemental  income from  trapping.   He  said  he utilizes  his                                                               
Class-A Guide license  about 10 days a year, although  he has not                                                               
guided the last two  years due to the low number  of sheep in the                                                               
area  in which  he would  work.   He  noted that  doesn't have  a                                                               
commercial interest  in guiding, he only  participates in guiding                                                               
as an employee of registered guides.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE related  that his interest in being on  the Board of                                                               
Game  is  not  to  favor  commercial  interests,  but  to  manage                                                               
Alaska's wildlife resources and  provide as many opportunities as                                                               
possible  with sustainable  management in  mind.   He said  he is                                                               
well qualified to  serve as a member of the  Board of Game member                                                               
given his 20  years of involvement at the  local level, including                                                               
serving on  the Fairbanks Fish  and Game Advisory Committee.   He                                                               
stated   that  he   has   knowledge   for  wildlife   management,                                                               
understands  Alaska's constitutional  mandate, and  is versed  in                                                               
Alaska's  statutes, regulations,  wildlife management  plans, and                                                               
public interest.  Mr. Barrette noted  that he has served for many                                                               
years on the Western Arctic  Caribou Working Group, the Fortymile                                                               
Caribou Coalition, the  Wood Bison Planning Team,  and Dall Sheep                                                               
working groups.   He  further noted that  he has  participated in                                                               
the statewide revision of  bear baiting regulations, collaborated                                                               
with  trapping  groups  to align  furbearer  seasons  regionally,                                                               
worked  on  intensive  management plans,  and  understands  state                                                               
subsistence and  the laws.   Given his  years of  involvement, he                                                               
added, he  brings historical background  to the Board of  Game on                                                               
certain issues.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  announced that  Vice Chair  Hopkins needed                                                               
to attend another meeting and had passed the gavel to her.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:37:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  RAUSCHER  offered   his  understanding  that  Mr.                                                               
Barrette was a sheep hunting guide.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. BARRETTE  answered that he  has been primarily  sheep guiding                                                               
since 2006 or so.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:38:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  asked whether Mr. Barrette  has conflicted                                                               
out on  any issues during  his time on  the board in  relation to                                                               
raptor regulations or his [guide] licensure.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BARRETTE confirmed  he  has  had to  declare  a conflict  of                                                               
interest.  He further noted that  there is always a potential for                                                               
him to be conflicted out given  his many interests.  He explained                                                               
that he  reviews all the proposals  and then lets the  chair know                                                               
at the start of each meeting [if he has a conflict].                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:39:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAY  NORDLUM, Appointee,  Big  Game  Commercial Services  Board,                                                               
Division  of Corporations,  Business and  Professional Licensing,                                                               
Department  of  Commerce,  Community, and  Economic  Development,                                                               
testified  as  appointee  to the  Big  Game  Commercial  Services                                                               
Board.   He  stated he  was  born and  raised in  Kotzebue, is  a                                                               
shareholder  in the  Northwest Alaska  Native Association  (NANA)                                                               
Regional   Corporation,  a   Native   allotment   owner,  and   a                                                               
subsistence hunter  and fisherman.   He noted he holds  a private                                                               
pilot's license  and owns  boats, four-wheelers,  and all-terrain                                                               
vehicles for  use in Kotzebue to  access the country for  what he                                                               
loves to do.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDLUM related  that he  applied for  the local  landholder                                                               
seat  on the  Big Game  Commercial  Services Board  to provide  a                                                               
local voice  in rural  communities.   He said  he has  attended a                                                               
couple board meetings  over the last eight months, and  now he is                                                               
going through this confirmation process.   He noted that his wife                                                               
was  born  and raised  in  Kotzebue,  is  a  nurse at  the  local                                                               
hospital,  and  they both  love  being  out  in the  country  and                                                               
hunting and fishing to stock their freezers every year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN inquired about Mr. Nordlum's employment.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDLUM  replied that  he  works  for the  Northwest  Arctic                                                               
Borough as a planning director in Kotzebue.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:43:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRONK  asked whether  there are issues  of concern                                                               
in Mr. Nordlum's  area that make him  want to be on  the Big Game                                                               
Commercial Services Board.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  NORDLUM answered  yes.   He explained  that in  the Kotzebue                                                               
area there are issues with  transporters taking hunters into Game                                                               
Management  Unit (GMU)  23 and  dropping them  off one  after the                                                               
other on public state land.  He  said he has looked into the laws                                                               
that govern  guides and  transporters and of  interest to  him is                                                               
correcting  the deficiencies  in  the way  that transporters  and                                                               
guides are handled.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:45:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN  opened public testimony on  the governor's                                                               
appointees to the Board of  Game and Big Game Commercial Services                                                               
Board.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:45:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LOUIS  CUSACK,  Executive  Director, Safari  Club  International,                                                               
Alaska Chapter (SCI-AK), testified  in support of the appointment                                                               
of Ruth Cusack to  the Board of Game.  He  stated that Ms. Cusack                                                               
is his wife,  and that she is a passionate  wilderness hunter who                                                               
would  be   a  great  representative  for   the  largest  growing                                                               
demographic in  the hunting community.   He said she  would bring                                                               
insight and  perspective to the Board  of Game that has  not been                                                               
present  for some  time and  she will  set an  example that  will                                                               
encourage others and other women  to participate in the outdoors.                                                               
He related that  he and Ms. Cusack have hunted  almost every part                                                               
of  Alaska and  use  Alaska's wildlife  resources  to fill  their                                                               
freezer and to  share with others less fortunate.   He noted that                                                               
Ms. Cusack volunteers for several  hunting programs for women and                                                               
children and  is vice  president of SCI-AK,  which in  2022 alone                                                               
will contribute over $1.2 million  in Pittman-Robertson Act funds                                                               
to ADF&G's Division  of Wildlife Conservation.  He  added that as                                                               
a  member of  the Board  of Game,  Ms. Cusack  will work  hard at                                                               
researching  and  listening to  all  testimony  and make  a  fair                                                               
decision that is  based on the best interest of  the resource and                                                               
on behalf of all user groups.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:48:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDY ZARNKE,  President, Alaska Trappers  Association, testified                                                               
in support  of the  appointment of  Al Barrette  to the  Board of                                                               
Game.  He  said he has seen  Mr. Barrette in action  at a variety                                                               
of  meetings  and  Mr.  Barrette  is  always  well  informed  and                                                               
oftentimes the most informed person in  the room.  He stated that                                                               
Mr.  Barrette  has  a great  understanding  of  the  relationship                                                               
between statutes  and regulations and often  points out conflicts                                                               
that might  exist.   He pointed  out that  Mr. Barrette  is self-                                                               
taught and  motivated to  educate himself on  these details.   He                                                               
related  that  Mr.  Barrette  interacts  with  people  testifying                                                               
before the  Board of Game  by asking questions, often  leading to                                                               
greater clarity of the testimony itself.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:50:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
VIRGIL  UMPHENOUR testified  in  support of  the appointments  of                                                               
Ruth Cusack, James  Cooney, and Al Barrette to the  Board of Game                                                               
and Clay Nordlum  to the Big Game Commercial Services  Board.  He                                                               
stated that he had served three  terms on the Board of Fisheries,                                                               
is [currently]  serving on the  Fairbanks Fish and  Game Advisory                                                               
Committee, and he is a Master Guide.   He said he is the owner of                                                               
a meat  and fish processing  facility in Fairbanks and  has known                                                               
Mr.  Barrette  since  at  least 1992  given  Mr.  Barrette's  fur                                                               
tannery and that  they do business together.  He  related that he                                                               
and Mr. Barrette  served together on the Fairbanks  Fish and Game                                                               
Advisory Committee  for more than  15 years.  He  emphasized that                                                               
Mr.  Barrette is  a hard  worker, knowledgeable,  and gets  along                                                               
well with  people.  He  further stated  that he supports  all the                                                               
appointees who are  up for confirmation to the Board  of Game and                                                               
the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:51:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TED  SPRAKER testified  in support  of the  appointments of  Ruth                                                               
Cusack, James Cooney,  and Al Barrette to the Board  of Game.  He                                                               
noted that after retiring from  the Alaska Department of Fish and                                                               
Game he  served six consecutive terms  on the Board of  Game.  He                                                               
stated  he  has known  Mr.  Barrette  for many  years,  including                                                               
serving with  him on  the Board  of Game  where Mr.  Barrette was                                                               
always prepared and  one of the leaders when it  came to building                                                               
a solid record  for each of the votes that  the board was dealing                                                               
with.   He expressed  his support for  Mr. Cooney  after recently                                                               
meeting him  and being  impressed with his  action on  the board.                                                               
He related  that he has known  Ms. Cusack for some  time and said                                                               
she  is  an accomplished  outdoors  person  who is  dedicated  to                                                               
wildlife conservation and  helping youth hunters.   He noted that                                                               
Ms. Cusack was  selected from a group of 80  women nationwide for                                                               
the Extreme  Huntress Award  and was honored  with the  SCI Diana                                                               
Award.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  SPRAKER pointed  out that  the  first couple  Board of  Game                                                               
meetings are  a steep learning  curve and  that a person  must be                                                               
committed and have the  time to serve on the board.   He said all                                                               
three appointees  have that commitment  and the time to  serve as                                                               
effective board  members.  Regarding  guides being on  the board,                                                               
he argued  that a requirement for  a board seat is  experience in                                                               
the outdoors  and knowledge of  wildlife.  He further  noted that                                                               
there  are  usually  100-plus  proposals   to  address  at  board                                                               
meetings and there is often a  proposal or two with which a board                                                               
member may have  a conflict that requires  that member's recusal.                                                               
He asserted that being an Assistant  Guide on the board has never                                                               
been a problem, but rather an asset.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:55:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  RICHARDS, Executive  Director, Resident  Hunters of  Alaska                                                               
(RHAK),  testified  in  opposition  to the  appointment  of  Ruth                                                               
Cusack, James Cooney,  and Al Barrette to the Board  of Game.  He                                                               
related  that RHAK  sent identical  letters to  committee members                                                               
and to the Board of Game  appointees.  He said RHAK has discussed                                                               
its position  in the hope  that the appointees  understand RHAK's                                                               
position.  He pointed out that  all three appointees to the Board                                                               
of  Game are  licensed  hunting guides  and  that, if  confirmed,                                                               
there will be five licensed  hunting guides and one retired guide                                                               
on the  seven-member board.  He  said RHAK believes that  all the                                                               
individuals being appointed  or reappointed to the  Board of Game                                                               
are qualified  to serve  but explained that  RHAK must  oppose in                                                               
principle the  addition of any more  guides to the Board  of Game                                                               
regardless of  their class  of guide  license because  it clearly                                                               
does not provide  a diversity of interests and points  of view as                                                               
called for by  the statute.  Whether real or  perceived the board                                                               
will be unbalanced  in favor of commercial  hunting interests, he                                                               
stated, and  beyond that it  is horrible optics  that exacerbates                                                               
the belief held  by many resident hunters that the  Board of Game                                                               
does not  value or  consider their opinion.   [The  portrayal] of                                                               
Assistant Guide  as being meaningless  is ridiculous,  he argued,                                                               
because most  of the  guides in Alaska  are Assistant  Guides and                                                               
they do most of the guiding in the state.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHARDS stressed  that none  of this  is personal  and puts                                                               
RHAK in  the uncomfortable position  of opposing  good qualifying                                                               
people to  serve on the board.   He related that  RHAK has always                                                               
made recommendations  to boards, commissions, and  the governor's                                                               
office, and RHAK's four  currently recommended individuals, three                                                               
men  and one  woman, are  all highly  qualified and  none hold  a                                                               
guide license  of any  kind.   He pointed  out that  over 100,000                                                               
Alaskans  purchase a  hunting license  every year  and contribute                                                               
more  than $1  billion  dollars to  Alaska's  economy in  hunting                                                               
pursuits.   Less than 1  percent of  those Alaskans hold  a guide                                                               
license, yet having most members of  the Board of Game be hunting                                                               
guides is  somehow okay as  if there are no  qualified applicants                                                               
who aren't guides,  he questioned.  He asked what  the purpose is                                                               
of a statute  requiring a balanced board if it  isn't adhered to.                                                               
He recalled  Mr. Cooney being asked  about having non-consumptive                                                               
users on  the board and  Mr. Cooney's expression of  concern that                                                               
someone representing a specific user  group may not be objective.                                                               
Is  that to  say, Mr.  Richards asked,  that by  holding a  guide                                                               
license  a  board member  doesn't  represent  that specific  user                                                               
group?  He reiterated that this  isn't personal, rather it sets a                                                               
horrible precedent to have so many guides on the Board of Game.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  GARNESS testified  in support  of the  appointment of  Ruth                                                               
Cusack  to  the  Board  of  Game.     He  noted  that  he  is  an                                                               
environmental engineer and a Samish  Indian Nation tribal member.                                                               
He  qualified that  he  is  speaking as  a  private citizen,  but                                                               
because he  sits on  the Alaska State  Board of  Registration for                                                               
Architects,  Engineers, and  Land Surveyors  he is  familiar with                                                               
what it takes to  be on a board.  He stated that  he is a current                                                               
board member  of Safari Club International,  Alaska Chapter (SCI-                                                               
AK), and  having worked  with Ms.  Cusack for  many years  he can                                                               
attest  that she  is a  hunter  to the  core for  both sport  and                                                               
subsistence.   He said  Ms. Cusack  has a  history of  service in                                                               
conservation,  hunter education,  and  hunter  rights and  access                                                               
issues,  as  well as  providing  veterans  with opportunities  to                                                               
hunt.   She  has a  tremendous  personal commitment  to this,  he                                                               
continued,  and she  is  level-headed and  will  bring a  woman's                                                               
perspective, which is important.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:02:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE SEWRIGHT,  Board Member,  Safari Club  International, Alaska                                                               
Chapter  (SCI-AK), testified  in support  of the  appointments of                                                               
Ruth Cusack, James Cooney, and Al  Barrette to the Board of Game.                                                               
He related  he is  now retired,  but that  as a  former assistant                                                               
attorney general  for the  State of Alaska  Department of  Law he                                                               
advised and  litigated for  ADF&G, chiefly  in state  and federal                                                               
subsistence and  game management issues,  so he is  familiar with                                                               
the issues  presented to the  Board of Game.   He stated  that he                                                               
personally and  SCI-AK strongly support  all three  appointees to                                                               
the Board of  Game because they will  responsibly manage Alaska's                                                               
wildlife  resources  and  make balanced  decisions  in  the  best                                                               
interest of all user groups.  He  said Ms. Cusack has been a very                                                               
engaged  vice  president of  SCI-AK,  and  has shown  initiative,                                                               
energy, hard work, and professional  practicality in the interest                                                               
of Alaska's wildlife populations,  together with supporting ADF&G                                                               
wildlife  conservation  initiatives  and hunter  education.    He                                                               
stated that  Ms. Cusack is  a hunter who understands  the concept                                                               
of   sustainable  wildlife   populations  first,   regardless  of                                                               
pressures from  hunting or  other influences.   He added  that he                                                               
does  not see  Ms. Cusack  favoring guiding  interests as  she is                                                               
more of a  subsistence user than a recreational hunter  and has a                                                               
broad perspective.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:05:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
WILLIAM SCHENK, during the confirmation  hearing on appointees to                                                               
the Board  of Game,  urged that  there be  more diversity  on the                                                               
board.   He stated  he doesn't  mean to detract  from any  of the                                                               
qualified  people who  have volunteered  to  be on  the Board  of                                                               
Game.  However, he continued,  he feels that commercial interests                                                               
are being  overly represented on the  Board of Game and  he would                                                               
like to  see more diversity  and more decisions based  on biology                                                               
rather than politics.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:07:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY    GEARHART,    Regional   Representative,    Safari    Club                                                               
International (SCI),  testified in support of  the appointment of                                                               
Ruth Cusack to the  Board of Game.  He stated  that Ms. Cusack is                                                               
a  passionate  individual, a  remote  hunter,  works hard  within                                                               
hunting  organizations, and  volunteers  with organizations  that                                                               
promote hunting and  women and children being outdoors.   He said                                                               
she  pays attention  to the  issues  that appeal  to all  outdoor                                                               
users, including  fishermen, bird watchers, and  backpackers, and                                                               
she will consider  those concerns and issue a  decision that will                                                               
benefit all users.   Ms. Cusack will  responsibly manage Alaska's                                                               
wildlife resources, he added, and  make balanced decisions in the                                                               
best interest of all user groups.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:09:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JENNIFER YUHAF testified  in support of the  appointments of Ruth                                                               
Cusack  and Al  Barrette to  the Board  of Game.   She  said both                                                               
appointees  are well  rounded individuals  who  each represent  a                                                               
diversity of  interests.  She  maintained that the way  these two                                                               
appointees have  been criticized  for possessing a  guide license                                                               
for limited  areas and limited  species is unfair  and equivalent                                                               
to  saying that  possessing a  driver's license  would exclude  a                                                               
person from  participating in  a green energy  panel or  a public                                                               
transportation  panel.   Ms. Yuhaf  stated that  as a  hunter and                                                               
hunter's advocate  she has endured  the same types  of criticism,                                                               
but  she is  also  a birder  and a  photographer  and has  raised                                                               
$103,000  to put  forth  the  viewing of  bears  at McNeil  River                                                               
Sanctuary.    She  said  both appointees  are  well  rounded  and                                                               
diverse, and  she doesn't want  those types of individuals  to be                                                               
discouraged from serving in a  public capacity.  Both appointees,                                                               
she  added, have  shown that  they will  take their  appointments                                                               
seriously and take it as a  measure of service, not their egos or                                                               
self-interest.  She stated that  both appointees will dissect the                                                               
ramifications of  any decision on  each of the people  that would                                                               
be affected.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:12:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GEORGE PIERCE,  during the confirmation hearing  on appointees to                                                               
the Board of  Game, testified that only  scientists or biologists                                                               
should be  appointed to the  board.    He stated that  the people                                                               
[applying] to  the boards represent  special interest  groups and                                                               
nonprofits,  there  has been  no  testifier  on personal  use  or                                                               
subsistence, and the  governor is appointing guides  to the Board                                                               
of Game.   He said the  idea of the  Board of Game is  to promote                                                               
more game,  but instead  the board kills  off all  the predators.                                                               
Animals need habitat, he specified,  not another bunch of special                                                               
use interest groups.   When guides beg for the  job on the board,                                                               
he  argued,  they  are  representing   their  clients,  not  [the                                                               
public]; only qualified scientists or  biologists have a place on                                                               
the fish and game boards.   He maintained that putting in special                                                               
interest groups  has resulted  in the loss  of Alaska's  fish and                                                               
game and urged that this be stopped.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:14:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN clarified that,  by law, legislators are to                                                               
hear  the names  put forth  by the  governor, which  is what  the                                                               
committee is doing  today.  Actions taken [by  the committee] are                                                               
not  binding, she  explained, and  there will  be a  confirmation                                                               
vote in a joint session for each [appointee].                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PIERCE responded  that the appointees must  be confirmed, and                                                               
it is legislators that confirm them.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN responded that  is correct.  She reiterated                                                               
that  legislators  are required  by  law  to consider  the  names                                                               
selected and put  forth by the governor for the  boards, and [the                                                               
committee] is  following what  it is legally  obligated to  do in                                                               
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  PIERCE responded  that  it  is the  duty  of legislators  to                                                               
represent Alaskans, not people representing out-of-state guides.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN stated she has  not heard any concerns that                                                               
any of the nominees are nonresidents.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:16:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CRONK opined  that of utmost importance  to him is                                                               
ensuring there  are animals to  put in the freezers  of Alaskans,                                                               
especially given the high [food] prices of the last few years.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:17:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HANNAN,  after ascertaining there was  no one else                                                               
who wished to testify, closed  public testimony on the appointees                                                               
to the Board of Game and the Big Game Commercial Services Board.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:17:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HANNAN  stated  that in  accordance  with  Alaska                                                               
Statute (AS)  39.05.080, the  House Resources  Standing Committee                                                               
has reviewed the following names  and recommends the appointments                                                               
be forwarded to a joint  session for consideration:  Clay Nordlum                                                               
to  the Big  Game  Commercial Services  Board;  and Ruth  Cusack,                                                               
James Cooney, and Al Barrette to  the Board of Game.  She pointed                                                               
out that any  signature here does not reflect the  intent for any                                                               
member to  vote for  or against  the confirmation  of individuals                                                               
during any further sessions.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:19:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 2:20 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
House Resources Confirmations Clay Nordlum Application 3.7.2022.pdf HRES 3/7/2022 1:00:00 PM
HRES 3/14/2022 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
Clay Nordlum
House Resources Confirmations James Cooney Resume 3.14.2022.pdf HRES 3/14/2022 1:00:00 PM
HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
James Cooney
House Resources Confirmations Board of Game Testimony Packet 4.20.2022.pdf HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game
House Resources Confirmations Ruth Cusack Resume 4.20.2022.pdf HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
Ruth Cusack
House Resources Confirmations Ruth Cusack Application 4.20.2022.pdf HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
House Resources Confirmations Al Barrette Application 4.20.2022.pdf HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
Al Barrette
House Resources Confirmations Al Barrette Resume 4.20.2022.pdf HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
Al Barrette
House Resources Confirmations Board of Game Testimony Packet Two 4.20.2022.pdf HRES 4/20/2022 1:00:00 PM
Board of Game.